Probablistic Hadith Verification: Combining the Science of Hadith with Legal Theory

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Let us say we are faced with two hypothetical authentic (i.e. ṣaḥīḥ) hadiths from a respected collection such as Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī, with the following chain diagrams, and we are trying to decide which hadith is stronger and better attested. The first hadith below has four transmitters (the four on the right), all of whom narrate from a single transmitter, who narrates from a Companion:

The second hadith has six transmitters, who transmit their hadiths from different chains going back to two Companions:

(For the sake of the example, we are assuming all of the transmitters are of the same quality, though the method can account for transmitters of varying qualities too).

When faced with comparing two such hadiths, it can be very difficult to decide which hadith is higher in quality when it comes to its isnād. The first hadith has “only” four chains, but the transmitters are only one generation removed from the Companions. Meanwhile, the second hadith has six chains, but the hadith’s transmitters are either two generations or three generations removed.

The second hadith goes back to two Companions, which seems to make it more trustworthy than the first hadith, which goes back to only one Companion. Yet the first hadith’s transmitters are only one generation removed from a Companion, compared to the second hadith’s two or three generation remove. How do we make sense of this situation so that we can decide which hadith is actually stronger?

The method described in this essay provides a mathematical method to precisely combine the strength of all of the chains of a particular hadith in order to assign it a single number that tells what strength all those differing chains amount to. The method does not introduce any new information to the science of hadith, it is merely a convenient “calculator” that hadith scholars (and other researchers) can use that can be replicated by others, making the act of judging hadiths a matter of measurement and replication, rather than a matter for hunches and appeals to the fame and authority of this or that person.

As it happens, in the above example the first hadith is somewhat stronger, having a score of 35%, compared with the second hadith’s score of 30%. As will be shown, relatively few hadiths, including ṣaḥīḥ ones, reach above 30% in their scores, so both of the hadiths are reasonably strong and well worth using in legal judgments.


The study of hadith has been by and large restricted to hadith scholars. In this essay I present a fundamentally new approach to the study of hadith that combines the disciplines of traditional hadith criticism with uṣul al-fiqh (legal theory). For over a millennium, scholars of legal theory have discussed what makes certain hadiths mutawātir, or true beyond doubt, but these discussions have unfortunately been almost entirely ignored by hadith scholars. By combining legal theory with hadith criticism, we gain a powerful new empirical tool for judging the authenticity of hadiths that enables fiqh scholars to tap the vast resources of the science of hadith while implementing the long-neglected field of legal theory in the way hadiths are handled.

Counting the number of chains that a hadith possesses has been a traditional method of determining the strength of one hadith compared to another. Another method has been to determine the length of a chain. Hadiths with shorter chains were highly prized due to their higher authenticity. This method integrates both of these concepts: Hadiths with more chains and shorter chains receive higher percentage rankings than hadiths with fewer chains or shorter chains.

From binary to analog

It is rarely mentioned in scholarly circles and among the rest of the Muslim community that the categories that hadiths are placed into by hadith scholars, such as ṣaḥīḥ, are artificial, made-up categories. Some ṣaḥīḥ hadiths are vastly superior in their authenticity compared to other ṣaḥīḥ hadiths, and hadith scholars are well aware of this.

It was natural and convenient for hadith scholars of the early and classical periods to view hadiths as being either ṣaḥīḥ or not-ṣaḥīḥ (ḥasan, ḍaʿīf, etc.). This is what I call binary thinking. It divides the world of hadith into two parts, one of which, ṣaḥīḥ, is assumed to be practically perfectly reliable despite the awareness that no two ṣaḥīḥ hadiths are ever equally reliable. It’s similar to dividing one’s friends and acquaintances into two categories, “trustworthy” and “untrustworthy”, despite the fact that we know the real world is much more complicated than that and that people, in reality, are on a spectrum of trustworthiness from most trustworthy to least trustworthy.

The essential innovation that my verification method introduces is that it supersedes the artificial, binary thinking of traditional hadith science by introducing an analog method of categorizing hadiths, suggested to me not by hadith scholars but by scholars of legal theory in their discussions of the reliability of hadiths, that better represents reality. In the traditional method a hadith can either be ṣaḥīḥ or not-ṣaḥīḥ, while in my method a hadith can be 20% likely to be authentic, or 30%, or 90%. The method has room for representing all the various shades of authenticity that are hidden to ordinary Muslims when they read that a particular hadith is authentic.

This method helps free the great treasures of the science of hadith criticism that have so far been locked away in hadith collections and the works of hadith transmitter criticism (ʿilm al-rijāl) so that every Muslim can benefit from them by having that knowledge translated into an easy-to-understand mathematical ranking system.

Hadith and probability theory

Islam’s hadith literature (reports about the actions and sayings of the Prophet ) is one of the most problematic aspects of the religion due to the issues concerning the reliability of transmitters. How do we know if a report going back six or seven generations to the Prophet truly and accurately reports what the Prophet said or did?

So far the science of hadith has largely limited itself to verifying the authenticity of hadiths by verifying the trustworthiness of each person in a hadith’s chain of narrators. If all the transmitters are trustworthy, the assumption is that the hadith is ṣaḥīḥ (“authentic” or “sound”) unless the hadith reports things that are clearly false or contradictory to other hadith narrations. The problem is that a hadith scholar’s own beliefs and biases can strongly affect whether they consider a strange and rare hadith to be authentic or not. A good example is the following hadith in Imām al-Bukhārīʾs collection:

Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, khazz (a type of clothing), the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."

(Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 5590)

A non-scholar who reads this hadith will be greatly troubled by the implication that the use of musical instruments is a characteristic of misguided and impious Muslims. And since the hadith is authentic and present in Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī, they will face the difficult choice of either believing musical instruments (and hence all music) to be forbidden in Islam, or ignoring the hadith and going with the commonsense and widespread Muslim belief that music is permissible in Islam.

By introducing probability theory into the science of hadith, we gain an extremely powerful tool that enables us to judge just how seriously we should take any particular hadith. This is especially useful in the case of hadiths that seem to be contradicted by other hadiths. For example on the issue of musical instruments we have the following hadith:

Narrated Aisha:

Abu Bakr came to my house while two small Ansari girls were singing beside me the stories of the Ansar concerning the Day of Buath. And they were not singers. Abu Bakr said protestingly, "Musical instruments of Satan in the house of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) !" It happened on the `Id day and Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O Abu Bakr! There is an `Id for every nation and this is our `Id."

Sahih al-Bukhari 952

An authentic version of this hadith (Sahih Muslim 892 b) tells us that the girls were using the instrument daff (“tambourine”). So here we have the Prophet approving of the use of musical instruments in his own home, yet the other hadith implies that musical instruments are wicked and unlawful.

Probabilistic hadith criticism helps solve the dilemma of having to choose between two hadiths that are both judged authentic by hadith scholars by telling us which one is stronger.

As it happens, the hadith mentioning the Prophet’s approval of musical instruments is far more “authentic” and believable than the hadith in which he disapproves of them.

In this essay I will use these hadiths on music as an illustration of the probabilistic hadith verification method.

Gathering the hadiths approving of music

The first step in hadith verification is to gather all existing versions of a hadith and their chains and to draw a diagram representing all of its transmitters. Below is a diagram of the version of the “two singing girls” hadiths found in Sahih al-Bukhari:

The blue box is the hadith, and the gray boxes are its transmitters. The first transmitter is Aisha, may God be pleased with her, wife of the Prophet . The second transmitter is Urwa b. al-Zubayr, her nephew. The third transmitter is Urwa’s son Hisham. The the fourth transmitter is the highly respected hadith scholar Hammad b. Usama b. Zayd. The fifth transmitter is Ubayd b. Ismail, a respected hadith transmitter. This transmitter gave the hadith to Imam al-Bukhari who recorded it.

The second version of the hadith is also in Sahih al-Bukhari:

Narrated Aisha:

That once Abu Bakr came to her on the day of `Id-ul-Fitr or `Id ul Adha while the Prophet (ﷺ) was with her and there were two girl singers with her, singing songs of the Ansar about the day of Buath. Abu Bakr said twice. "Musical instrument of Satan!" But the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Leave them Abu Bakr, for every nation has an `Id (i.e. festival) and this day is our `Id."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3931

Below is a diagram of this hadith’s chain:

You may note that the first three transmitters are the same as those of the previous hadith. So we can join their diagrams into one as follows:

Next is the chain found in Sahih Muslim 892 a:

This chain is exactly the same as the al-Bukhari’s first chain except for the last transmitter. We can therefore join it with the rest as follows:

We now therefore have three chains going back to the same hadith. Imam Muslim mentions two additional chains which we add to the diagram as follows:

We now move on to other collections that mention the same hadith. The first one is a version mentioned in Abu Uwaana’s Mustakhraj, which we add to the diagram as follows:

I have indicated the new chain in green. After further research, I was able to discover a further chain in Sahih al-Bukhari as indicated below:

Al-Bukhari mentions an alternative version of this new chain as indicated below:

The scholar Abu Uwana adds two of his own supporting chains to this version as follows:

We now have a fairly complete picture of all of the different chains of this hadith.

Adding the probabilities

To understand this section, some previous knowledge of probability theory will likely be required.

In order to start, we have to agree on an important assumption. How trustworthy is a single transmitter? This is a matter of intuition. After trying out various probabilities, I have settled on the value of 60%. This means that each trustworthy transmitter in a chain has a 60% chance of truthfully and correctly transmitting the hadith they transmit. This may seem low, but it actually works very well to represent the issues inherent in hadith transmitter verification.

This 60% is not a judgment on the transmitter’s character. It is a judgment on this specific piece of information in this specific place in the chain. It does not mean that a transmitter is 60% likely to be trustworthy. Rather, it is based on the uṣūl al-fiqh (Islamic legal theory) discussions on the number of witnesses needed for a certain piece of information to be considered mutawātir or true beyond doubt (see Wael B. Hallaq in Islamic Law and Jurisprudence: Studies in Honor of Farhat J. Ziadeh). It is general knowledge among scholars of legal theory that a single witness, no matter how trustworthy, can never impart certain knowledge. This is why Islamic law requires multiple witnesses in various legal cases. This requirement for multiple witnesses is not a judgment on the character of individual witnesses. It is a guarantee against various forms of error and uncertainty. According to the 60% assumption, four trustworthy witnesses mentioning the same piece of information side-by-side have a 97.44% chance of imparting it truthfully and correctly, while eight witnesses have a 99.93% chance, making a piece of information practically mutawātir, or widely-transmitted.

The 60% assumption takes into account the concept of signal decay. While a trustworthy witness who heard a piece of information today may have a 100% chance of imparting it correctly today, hadiths are transmitted between witnesses who may have held onto the information for decades. A hadith with four transmitters in its chain may in fact represent information passed down over four generations. There is an inherent signal decay in this multi-generational process, and the 60% assumption helps simulate this decay by requiring multiple transmitters at each point of the chain to maintain signal integrity.

According to probability theory, if you have a witness with 60% probability of truthfulness saying something, and then a second witness also with 60% probability of truthfulness comes along and says the same thing, the probability of both of them saying the truth increases, since we have two witnesses saying the same thing. We calculate this increase by multiplying the falsehood probabilities of the two persons as follows:

Person 1: 60% chance of truth = 40% chance of falsehood

Person 2: 60% chance of truth = 40% chance of falsehood

The chance of falsehood for both = 40% * 40% = 16%

The chance of truth of both = 100% - the chance of falsehood = 100% - 16% = 84%

Below is a diagram of an imaginary chain that represents these facts:

We have two people each of whom say that the Prophet said something. Each of them has a 60% probability of truthfulness and accuracy, but the two of them together have a 84% probability of truthfulness and accuracy, so the above imaginary hadith has an 84% chance of truthfulness and accuracy.

As we add more transmitters, the probability continually goes up:

Now we have four supporting witnesses, so their probability of truthfulness can be calculated as follows:

Falsehood probabilities: 40% * 40% * 40% * 40% = 2.56%

Truth probability: 100% - 2.56% = 97.44%

What this means is that if you have four Companions transmit the same hadith from the Prophet , the chance of the hadith being truly and correctly transmitted is 97.44%, which is a very high chance.

In probability theory 1 represents 100% and 0 represents 0. So another way of doing the above calculation is as follows:

0.4 * 0.4 * 0.4 * 0.4 = 0.0256

1 - 0.0256 = 0.9744

The benefits of the 60% assumption will become clear as we go through the verification process of the chains we gathered earlier. We will first deal with the top part of the diagram, which is as follows:

First, we will fill in the original 60% assumption by writing 0.6 in each bubble:

We do not add the 0.6 to the bubbles on the far right because those are written books, so they virtually have a 100% chance of reliability. What concerns us are unwritten, oral transmissions. The first step is to combine the three middle transmitters’ probabilities vertically, as follows:

Falsehood chances: (1-0.6) * (1-0.6) * (1-0.6) = 0.064

Truth chance: 1 - 0.064 = 0.936

Above, each of the three transmitters has a 100% – 60%, or 40% likelihood of falsely transmitting the hadith. But in order to get the probability of all of them falsely transmitting the hadith at the same time, we have to multiply these chances together: 40% * 40% * 40% = 6.4%. So the chance of all of them having falsely transmitted the hadith is only 6.4%, meaning that there is a 93.6% chance of them having truly and accurately transmitted this hadith.

We will call this “vertical combination”. We vertically combine all of the probabilities of the truthfulness and accuracy of the transmitters to get a single number, in this case 93.6%, which represents the authenticity of all them combined together.

We next have to do a horizontal combination. All three transmitters transmit the hadith from Hammad b. Usama, who also has a 0.6 (60%) chance of authenticity.

In the case of horizontal combination, rather than multiplying falsehood probabilities, we multiply truth probabilities. The reason is that as information passes down through a chain of transmitters each of whom have a 60% chance of authenticity, the chance of the information being correctly passed down decreases. There is more chance for error and fabrication. If you hear a Companion say that the Prophet said something, that is far more trustworthy than another person saying they heard their father say that their grandfather said that a Companion said that the Prophet said that.

So we multiply 0.93 by 0.6 to get 0.558, which means 55.8%. We now update the bubble for Hammad b. Usama to represent this new probability:

Hammad b. Usama’s probability went down from 0.6 to 0.558 because we did not hear the hadith directly from him, but from three people who claim to have heard him. Since those three people have a combined probability of 93% truthfulness and accuracy (rather than 100%), this slightly decreases the probability of the truthfulness and accuracy of the information we get from Hammad b. Usama.

We now move on to al-Bukhari’s second chain, which is as follows:

Using horizontal combination:

0.6 * 0.6 * 0.6 = 0.216

So this second chain has only a 21.6% probability of truthfulness and accuracy. The reason is that we do not have any supporting transmitters. We only have Muhammad b. al-Muthanna’s word for it that Muhammad b. Jaafar said that, and we only have Muhammad b. Jaafar’s word for it that Shu`ba said that. The deeper a chain goes back in time, the lower its probability of authenticity and accuracy becomes.

We next deal with two chains from Sahih Muslim:

Using vertical combination for the middle transmitters, we get a probability of 0.84 or 84%. Multiplying that by 0.6, we get 0.504, meaning that Abu Mu`awiyah has a 50.4% probability of authenticity.

Next we have the more interesting task of combining all the chains we examined above. We have to vertically combine the probabilities of Hammad (0.558), Shu`ba (0.216) and Abu Mu`awiyah (0.504):

Falsehood probabilities: (1-0.558) * (1-0.216) * (1-0.504) = 0.171877888

Truth probability: 1 - 0.171877888 = 0.828122112

So the probability of the truth of the information coming from these three transmitters is 82.8%.

Now we horizontally combine this with Hisham b. Urwa’s 0.6 probability, resulting in 0.496873267

We repeat these same steps for the remaining chains, as follows:

And by vertically combining the left-most probabilities (Hisham b. Urwa’s 49.68% and Muhammad b. Abd al-Rahman’s 21.04%), we get 0.602766552, so the information has a 60.27% probability of authenticity at this stage.

We next multiply this 0.602766552 by Urwa b. al-Zubayr’s 0.6 (horizontal combination), resulting in 0.361659931.

In the final step, we multiply this result by Aisha’s 0.6:

The result is 0.216995959. This means that the hadith with all of its chains has a 21.69% chance of authenticity and accuracy. This seems very low, but it is natural for a hadith that comes from a single Companion, through a single transmitter.

In my methodology, a hadith that reaches 20% or higher is ḥasan, a hadith that reaches 30% or higher is ṣaḥīḥ, a hadith that reaches 60% or higher is ṣaḥīḥ al-ṣaḥīḥ (a degree above ṣaḥīḥ), and a hadith that reaches 85% or higher is mutawātir (“widely transmitted”, a degree above ṣaḥīḥ al-ṣaḥīḥ).

Note that the method can easily be tweaked so that ṣaḥīḥ would start at 50% instead of 30%.. Instead of giving a transmitter in a chain a probability of 60%, we can give them a probability of 80%, which would increase the results arrived it. Note that it makes no difference what assumption we choose, as I have chosen 60%, for an individual transmitter, because the end result is always relative to other hadiths. Regardless of what assumption we choose, it is the case that a hadith with a stronger chain will receive a higher rank than a hadith with a weaker chain.

Different scholars may prefer different probabilities for what they consider ḥasan or higher. Personally these are the numbers I have settled on that my heart is comfortable with and accepts.

The hadith disapproving of music

We now move on to Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 5590, the hadith that says misguided Muslims will approve of musical instruments. Below is a diagram of the hadith’s chain:

The hadith comes from a single chain that does not branch out, meaning it is an extremely questionable chain, which I call a “precarious” chain. To calculate its probability of authenticity, we horizontally combine all the 0.6 probabilities as follows:

Probability of truth = 0.6 * 0.6 * 0.6 *0.6 *0.6 *0.6 = 0.046656

This hadith therefore has a 4.66% chance of authenticity, which is extremely low. In my thinking a hadith between 10% and 20% is munkar (strange and likely to be false), while a hadith below 10% is ḍaʿīf (“weak”, i.e. almost certainly false). As discussed in another article, there is another reason to consider this hadith questionable: it says misguided Muslims will consider khazz (a type of clothing) lawful. But we know 20 Companions of the Prophet wore this type of clothing, so this makes the hadith even more dubious.

The verdict

The hadith in which the Prophet says misguided Muslims will consider musical instruments lawful has only a 4.66% chance of authenticity, while the hadith in which the Prophet approves of musical instruments has a 21.69% chance of authenticity. Thus the hadith in which the Prophet approves of musical instruments is 4.6 times stronger than the hadith in which he disapproves of them (21.69 ÷ 4.66 = 4.65).

Based on this, we can confidently say that the evidence in support of the lawfulness of musical instruments is far stronger. Therefore approval of musical instruments is a vastly better representation of the Prophet’s sunna (tradition) than disapproval of them.

Defending the assumptions

The assumption that each transmitter has a 60% chance of accurately and truthfully transmitting the information needs to be defended. This assumption makes most ṣaḥīḥ narrations get an authenticity around 30%. If we treat these numbers empirically, it would mean that most authentic narrations are more likely to be false than true. For this reason I have chosen to treat all hadiths that reach 30% or higher as ṣaḥīḥ / authentic despite the fact that empirically they fall beneath the truth threshold of 50%.

My reasoning is that by choosing these assumptions, we create an interface between the empirical research world and the classical hadith studies world. A non-Muslim scholar may choose the 30% verdict on an authentic narration as a cause for skepticism, while a Muslim scholar can continue to make use of probability theory while adopting the traditional view of considering individual, low-truth-probability hadiths as authentic.

Another reason for the 60% assumption is that it gives us a very wide range of results. Some hadiths will reach close to 100%, many others will hover between 50% and 20%. This allows for representing a scholar’s empirical intuitions about these transmitted pieces of information, while also allowing them to remain in the classical hadith criticism world if they wish by choosing lower numbers, such as 30%, to represent full authenticity.

The study of Islam works on the basis of the autonomous consensus of the researchers, a concept I have defended elsewhere.1 Therefore introducing probability theory into hadith criticism will require the involvement of many researchers until a consensus emerges on the best assumptions to be chosen. Therefore my assumptions in this article are merely preliminary suggestions intended to illustrate what a probabilistic study of hadith would look like.


Combining probability theory and hadith criticism can greatly help in resolving issues surrounding contradictory hadith narrations by making it clear which hadiths are superior to which ones. It would be extremely helpful if we could build a new hadith collection that shows the probability of authenticity of each hadith rather than merely saying whether it is authentic or not. But such a work would require many years of work.

There is also the issue of sub-par transmitters. While I have chosen a probability 60% for reliable transmitters, for transmitters who are mudallis, non-qawī, non-ḥujja, or considered weak by some scholars and not others, lower probabilities will have to be used where necessary.

There are also different levels of weak transmitters. Some are considered weak for ideological reasons (because they held beliefs that hadith scholars considered unacceptable), while others are considered weak because they were caught lying or fabricating hadiths. Different probabilities will have to be used for different levels of weakness.

Further applications of the probabilistic method

See the articles on the Probabilistic Hadith Verification page for many studies by me in which I use the methodology developed in this article to verify hadiths on various important issues.


  1. See Ikram Hawramani, “Solving the Problem of the Codification of the Sharia”, The Hawramani Institute,, Apr 16, 2019, retrieved April 22, 2019.
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5 years ago

Good idea. But what if in the chain of transmitters there is a weak narrator? Can give its calculation?

abu abdi Allah
abu abdi Allah
5 years ago

As salam alaykoum

Ok, thank you, but the hadith you use as daleel that permit instrument it’s an exception for duff and in 3eed only.

Why you dont talk about other athar from sahaba (like ibn abbas and ibn mas3uud), and tabi3in like mujahid, and salaf like caliph umar ibn abdil aziz, and great scholar like al awza3y, imam maalik, al shaafi3y and ahmad ibn hanbal that forbid singing and music instruments ?

Sorry for my bad english, I only speak french.

As salam alaykoum

Vedad Grozdanic
Vedad Grozdanic
4 years ago

As-salaamu ‘alaykum, wa rahmatu-llaahi wa barakaatuh.

May Allaah reward you for the work you do.

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I must say, that reading some of these articles has increased my desire to study the Islamic sciences.

Vedad Grozdanic
Vedad Grozdanic
4 years ago

As-salâmu ‘alaykum, wa rahmatu-llāhi wa barakâtuh. May Allāh reward you for your scholarship.

….. …..

In the interest of providing a different perspective on the topic of “musical instruments in Islam,” I feel compelled to share a text which offers a different viewpoint:

That being said, I respect the effort which you have made in this essay. Wallāhi, you are a sincere person. I have benefited greatly from reading many of the texts on this website. May Allāh, Most High, increase us in guidance.

4 years ago

Assalamu alaikum.
Immense efforts were clearly put into this work and I am optimistic its with good intentions. However, I see some discrepancies when calculating your probabilities. Sometimes you multiply that of false and negate it from one. Other times you multiply those of truth. This will obviously lead to maximization of the variable you initially avoid.
Also the rating of narrators varies widely so also that of those who rate them. That will be difficult to incorporate in this project.
The work also seem to break the Ijma’ on the authenticity of the Sahihain which in my humble opinion doesn’t go with the aim of combining science of Hadeeth with the legal (Usuul) knowledge.

3 years ago

Interesting Approach , I’ve been wondering myself if probability can be applied to hadith authenticity. and your method is rather interesting but i have few observations :

1. Muttawatir in our scholars definition and by islamic logic is necessary knowledge and there is no doubt in it , therefore 80% can not be the cut point for muttawatir , but i get it , i can choose 100% to be muttawatir.
2.The Narrator “truthfulness” or lets say reliability ( ability to reproduce prophet exact words) accuracy (comprehension of the prophets words) and Truthfulness are basically unmeasureable by the classical “ilm el rijal”. But if A , B say X is trustworthy but C,D,E say X is untrustworthy. i think we need another probability model that should assign the probability of this person being Trustworthy. then add it to this current model ( that is accounted for reliability and Accuracy ex. your current 60% ) . in other words , if a person has a % chance of being Truthful (using the number of people claiming he’s truthful in ilm al rijal and others who don’t) and person if this has a chance of being % (reliable and trustworthy) then the probability is.. . as i understand the probability will be significantly lower than what you have assigned in your article.
3. scholars of ilm el rijal , Most scholars in this “science” are scholars of hadith and they usually have a bias against Mutakkalims and other narrators from other sects. Which complicates the Assigning “Truthfullness” probability of Narrators. on the other hand , we can aggregate the information about the narrators from ilm el rijal books and assign new criteria based on the information ( probability to each criterium ) as opposed to using the scholars of ilm el rijal opinions in the truthfulness probability measure i mentioned in point 2.

In conclusion , I salute your attempt , a suitable probability model will be the next evolution in Hadith sciences . regards

3 years ago

Admittedly I am in a way impressed with this and if what you did here was done right, it could be a great advancement for Hadith sciences.

But what you did here is flawed. Your assumption of a 60% rating of the possibility of authenticity is not well defended, for a variety of reasons:
1) Reliable Hadith narrators should individually be far more than 60% reliable when it comes to the general structure of the hadith. This is because they are graded to have a strong memory in a time when memory was more relevant than it is today. If any mildly intelligent person was professionally tasked to remember a few pieces of information, they would most probably be able to at least the general structure of what they heard. A sound narrator is more than mildly intelligent when it comes to memory

2) You’re assuming transmission was completely oral when in reality the Hadith would have been written down by many of the narrators once they heard the Hadith. This would certainly increase the probability of the hadith narration.

3) Daif is not meant to be “almost certainly false” and what you said goes against what many of the scholars of the past have stated.

And there certainly are more criticisms than this that one could make of the article

3 years ago

Brother: Great effort indeed. We are very impressed from this beautiful analytical work but very basic question arises: did Prophet and even four Caliphs certify even one extra-Quranic hadith as “Sahih”? No and Never. Therefore; morally logically, rationally and legally, we cannot classify even one extra-Quranic hadith as “Authentic”. If not Authentic, then it is Unauthentic; and a Wise will never build his faith on those Unauthentic Stories which were neither certified by Prophet Mohammad (Peace be Upon him) nor even by any of Four Guided Caliphs Radi-Allah-Anhum. Then who did certify these stories as Sahih? Answer is: By Persian Mullahs of Zoroastrian Ancestry like Muslim bin Hajjaj and Ismael Bukhari. But after reading each line of these books with honest unbiased mind; it clearly appears that Muslim bin Hajjaj and Bukhari type people and almost all Mufassars were much more ignorant than even Lap-Top Mullahs of today. For example: In Sahih-Muslim, we read: Prophet said that all black dogs are Devil. Do you think: Great man 68:4 Mohammad PBUH could say this kind of Jokes! And Bukhari tells: Who commits suicide will burn in Hell. And in next chapter he says: Prophet 68:4 attempted many suicides. When Hell boils, People on earth suffer from Fever. Satan urinates in your ears. Rats are a tribe of Yahood, and Prophet used to have Mubashart with wives even during menses. Quran is also the oldest Book of Arabic Grammar, and Quran tells: meaning of word Mubashrat is Intercourse. Mr. Bukhari tells us in so called Sahih that Prophet Solomon drilled 100 women in one night. Then in other report, Bukhari tells: he drilled only 60 women in one night. Then in third report he tells us: Prophet Solomon drill either 70 or 90 women in one night. Brother: What is relation of this kind of fabricated comic tales with Deen Islam? Glorious Quran tells: On the day of judgment: no one will bear the burden of any other person but we read in Sahih-Muslim that on that day: all sins of Muslims will be placed on the heads of Yahood and Nasaara. Allah says: He is Protractor of Quran 15:9, 17:88, 41:42 but in order to validated Talmudic punishment of Rajam in Islam, these hypocrites has forged hadiths which show: Verses of Rajam were eaten by any Sunni Goat. Bukhari writes: Evil Omen is in Horse Woman and House. Shia’s Book Nahj-al-Balagha enlightens us and say: all women are in fact Scorpions and so be away from them. Dear Brother: these all points show: These Books of Hadiths are mere an Himalaya of Fabricated Tales which hypocrites and enemies of Islam have connected with the name of Great Man 68:4 Mohammad PBUH through words “Qaala Rasool-Allah”. What did Rasool leave behind? Only Written Quran. Then Quran is enough for us 6:114, 10:15, 6:19, 29:51, 16:89, 17:12, 12:111. Does Quran forbid Good Music? No. So here you go; and we are not in need of any extra-Quranic hadiths or Tafsir or fabricated story of Asbab-Nazool. Does Quran (which contains final version of Divine law) tell us to stone a Zani to death? No. So Rajam is not an Islamic law. Full stop. In fact, Pseudo Converts like Rabbi K’ab al Ah’bar ad Rabbi Wahb bin Munibbah injected this Talmudic Punishment of Rajam in Hadith Books. A person who can forged Matan of Hadith, can also easily forge an excellent-looking Isnad/Chain too. Quran=Islam; Full stop. Any Rite, Ritual or Islamic Law (Sharia) which does not have roots in Noble Quran is absolutely not a part of Deen Islam. As per Quran 5:40-48, who make Sharia law from other books than Book of God are Faasiq, Zaalim and Kaafirs. An honest reader of Quran knows well that Rasool was mere An Agency of Allah Azza Wa Jal 29:18, 5:92, 5:99, 3:20, 24:54, 42:6, 42:48, 64:12, 16:64, 2:213, 39:41, 18:110, 28:56, 72:21, 2:272. This is why: Authentic Hadith of Allah 39:23 and Authentic Hadith of Rasool 69:40 is Quran only 6:114, 10:15, 6:19, 25:30. And so, meaning of “Obey Allah and Rasool” is nothing else but to follow that Divine Book which Allah delivered to people through his last Prophet; and name of that Book is not Bukhari or Nahj-al-Blagha but Quran only. In whole Quran, nowhere term “Sunnah of Rasool” appears. Words “Sunnah of Allah” appear or words “sunnah of past bad people appear”, Term Sunnah of Rasool is invented by Shia sect which was later followed by Sunni sect too. We read in 28:56, 72:21, 2:272, 18:110, 2:120 that Rasool cannot guide anyone to Right Path (Rashada 72:21) but only Allah can guide people. Then what is Utility of so-called Books of Hadiths and Sunnah which Rasool never left behind! Quran never permits any Tafaraqa and Sect 6:159-, 3:103, 3:105. Allah has named us only Muslim 22:78. Word Oswat-Hasana appears in Quran but did Rasool or even four Caliphs leave behind for us any extra-Quranic manuscript of his Oswat-Hasana? No. They were not in need of to leave such extra-Quranic manuscript because Authentic Oswat-Hasana of Rasool is already fully incorporated in ethical codes of Quran. It is recorded in over 36 books that pointing to verse 68:4, our mother Aisha RA said: The Quran is Akhlaaq of Rasool-Allah. So, when we follow Ethical Codes of Quran, we are automatically following Oswat-Hasana of Prophet Ibrahim PBUH and Prophet Mohammad PBUH too. Please visit: factszz dot wordpress dot com

3 years ago

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“He is Protractor of Quran 15:9, 17:88, 41:42 but in order to validated Talmudic punishment of Rajam in Islam, these hypocrites has forged hadiths which show: Verses of Rajam were eaten by any Sunni Goat.”

must be read as:

He is Protector of Quran 15:9, 17:88, 41:42 but in order to validate Talmudic punishment of Rajam in Islam, these hypocrites has forged hadiths which show: Verses of Rajam were eaten by any Sunni Goat.

2 years ago
Reply to  Abd-al-Wahid

Your POV to my knowledge does not satisfy the basic principle that according to your comment, the Quran is the Akhlaq of the Rasool ﷺ and we should just follow it leaving the Hadith,then in the Quran, its mentioned over 700 times to offer salah. At the same time, there is nothing mentioned in the Quran about HOW to offer salah. (The method). We get it from the Hadith. So of course there are many forged hadiths. That does not mean we ignore the Hadiths that are authentic and almost all scholars agree on them. I mean we have a lot of Hadiths that are not confirmed to be authentic but that does not mean we should leave all authentic Hadiths. The Ita’at of Rasool as mentioned in the Quran is also Hadiths that he practically showed us.

6 months ago

Beautiful work, is there any tools, and data processing flows to apply this yet? And as you mention, this is purely a quantitative protocol, which can be extended with qualitative provisions. For that we’ll have to index the chains by the transmitters as actors, then factor in:

One: in-transmission point-in-time probabilities

Two: variety of algorithms for calculating co-efficients of veracity for each transmitter, to account for scholarly differences on gauging merit

Solving for co-efficients is also a problem that can take similar approach as hadeeth authentication itself; We have to assess the weight of claims on actions and character of the transmitter, and asses the claimants, instead of the opinion of scholars. Instead of opining, they can do more scholarly work to make their raw knowledge accessible, following the path of Muslim and Bukhari.

My problem as a data enthusiast and not an Islamic literary is that I don’t know and where to gather the data of persons. Once we start building digital collections, I have no doubt we can come to way better forms of mathematical deductions, and get over this dark period of repetitive debates on petty issues, while missing the primary point of our existence.

Last edited 6 months ago by Adil
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4 months ago

Giving reliable narrators a probability of 60%, I think it is incorrect. Firstly: Because not all narrators are at the same level of trustworthiness. Secondly: Because the narration from the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, is not the same as the narration from others. This made the reliable narrators pay great attention to conveying the words of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, and preserving it as it is, which increases the level of truthfulness among many of them. 100%, and the greatest example of this is the companion Abu Hurairah, may God be pleased with him.

2 months ago

Its a great effort in evolving the hadith sciences; if you can add the following probabilities, I would consider it an official evolution:

  1. Probabilities accounting for who is the more reliable transmitter from Person X
  2. Probabilities accounting for the juruh and ta’dilaat of a transmitter
  3. Probabilities accounting for whether the transmission was aural, and from the memory or from the book

Nonetheless I very much enjoyed reading this, may Allah bless you